tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-131464952011-12-24T07:20:52.168-05:00The Grewal Tapesbucketsnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4051100tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13146495.post-3713421982348558692009-06-08T07:43:00.003-04:002010-07-10T09:32:17.389-04:00

From the Surrey Leader: Former Newton-North Delta MP Gurmant Grewal said he was "relieved and pleased" to hear there will be no charges laid against him over a six-year-old complaint about misuse of donated funds.A statement released Wednesday by the Criminal Justice Branch of the BC Attorney General's ministry said a review of the RCMP investigation conducted in 2005 "has concluded that there is

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This blog discusses the controversies surrounding Gurmant Grewal, a former Conservative MP from Surrey BC. The most notorious of these involved his negotiations to defect to the Liberals, the recordings of those negotiations, and the editing and release of those recordings. But these not Grewal's only brush with controversy. Indeed, there is not one Grewal affair, but about a dozen (see here

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The National Post: RCMP confirm Grewal investigation:In rare move, a top RCMP officer with the force's commercial crime section has officially confirmed former B.C. Tory MP Gurmant Grewal is under criminal investigation relating to tens of thousands of dollars in donations given to him by members of the Indo-Canadian community."The RCMP's commercial crime section is conducting an investigation

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The Province has a new story on Grewal's political financing: Where did our money go? Grewal donors. Armed with copies of cheques, RCMP officers are blazing a trail in B.C.'s Indo-Canadian community asking questions about tens of thousands of dollars donated to former Tory MP Gurmant Grewal.I'll try to get back to this later.Update. More here.

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As I've just posted, a story in the the Surrey Leader mentions that rumours concerning the potential defection of the Grewals were circulating in the Indo-Canadian community apparently even before the negotiations of the May 15th-18th, a fact also mentioned in the Ethics Commissioner's report.One of the conclusions of that report, of course, was that it had been Grewal who had begun the

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The Surrey Leader is reporting:Grewal switch rumoured in advance: DhaliwalBy Dan FergusonStaff ReporterFeb 05 2006Before the controversy over Gurmant Grewal's secret tapes erupted last May, Sukh Dhaliwal said he heard something was in the works that could displace himself as the Liberal candidate for Newton-North Delta."I heard rumours in the community... that Grewal was going to switch to the

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There is an awful lot of commentary from left, right,and center on Harper's decision to appoint to his cabinet David Emerson less than two weeks after he re-elected as a Liberal in Vancouver-Kingsway, most of it critical.And many have made allusion to the Stronach defection and the Grewal negotiations (for a humorous version, see here).One point that it seems has escaped the attention of many is

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The election’s over; Grewal is no longer politics; Murphy is now looking for new employment; Dosanjh was re-elected, but will now sit on the opposition benches.Most of the inquiries surrounding last summer’s events have resolved themselves: Transport Canada ruled that Grewal did not act improperly in the airport incident; he was cleared with only mild criticism by the Ethics Commissioner for his

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From a local Surrey paper comes the story that Grewal saw earlier drafts of the Ethics Commissioner's report, that the first draft exonerated him, and that the second and third (final) drafts were changed to find him chiefly at fault and exonerate the Liberals. Grewal says ethics report on taping was changed By Dan FergusonStaff ReporterFeb 01 2006Former Newton-North Delta MP Gurmant Grewal says

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From the Jan. 28th edition of the The Surrey Now Grewal threatens to sue Shapiro over ethics reportTom ZytarukThe fur is flying over Parliament Ethics Commissioner Bernard Shapiro's report on the Dosanjh-Grewal taping affair, with Grewal threatening to sue and Dosanjh accusing Prime Minister-designate Stephen Harper of hiding from the inquiry.Gurmant Grewal, formerly the Tory MP for Newton-North

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I've long considered Andrew Coyne is one of the country's best columnists: at his best, he is intelligent and vigorous, ideologically clear without being unduely partisan. His blog is less impressive--but that is natural enough. The best material is saved for the paying customers--and rightly so. In his recent blog post on the Grewal affair, he's disappointed.He begins with the report of

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There's a story in the Maple Ridge News about BC's nine ex-MPs and their pensions, including Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal, who the Canadian Taxpayers’ Federation says will draw a pension now worth $41,215 per year when he turns 55. He also gets severance worth $72,150 because he hasn’t yet reached 55, the age when the pension kicks in.MPs' pension is not something that I'm normally much

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While going through Ethics Commissioner Shapiro's reports I noticed something odd. Consider this: Mr. Grewal and Mrs. Grewal both testified that while on their way to Question Period on Monday, May 16, 2005, he informed her for the first time that he had been contacted by Mr. Kalia. Mrs. Grewal’s response was “you’re wasting your time since, you know, we’re not going to be joining the Liberals.”

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While reviewing the Ethics Report, I noticed that there are unresolved problems with the chronology of Grewal's calls with Sadesh Kalia.Together with his translation and transcript of his calls with Kalia, Grewal created a log of his calls from Kalia on his Blackberry for the 16th, 17th, and 18th. Here is the transcript for the sixteenth:It is difficult, however, to reconcile this log with

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As many have noted, Dosanjh is publicly musing a lawsuit against Grewal. From where I sit, it looks to be a slam-dunk of a case. Except for one niggling fact that I noticed several months ago and have not previously mentioned.Presumably Dosanjh's suit would be based on Grewal's public statements about what transpired from May 16-18 and that Grewal released documents that had been doctored to

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Andrew Coyne discusses Ethics Commissioner Shapiro's decision today in the National Post, which he reprints in his blog (here). I hope to get time to engage with his piece in a little more detail later. One point that Coyne rightly skewers Shapiro is on his handling, or non-handliing, of the 'tapes'. We wonders how Shapiro can come to the conclusions he doeswhen it is not even clear that he

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At this evening's Blogger meet-up, I met Andrew Coyne, who mentioned that he has a column coming out tomorrow in which he will slam Ethics Commissioner Shapiro's report. Knowing this blog's work, he said that he assumed that I had a different opinion.We didn't get a chance to explore this any further, but I think Coyne would be surprised to hear that I have at least two serious problems with

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Ethics Commissioner Shapiro's reports that Grewal admitted that on Monday, May 16, 2005, he decided to tape the conversations he was having with Mr. Kalia, Mr. Dosanjh and Mr. Murphy in order to ensure he had proof of the nature of the discussions that were occurring. Here again, Mr. Shapiro's decision not to use the primary evidence of Grewal's recordings let him down. Here is a list of phone

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The Ethics Commissioner's report continues to discuss the conversation between Grewal and Murphy in Grewal’s office at 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, May 18. Shapiro concludes The meeting ended with no commitment by either participant.Mr. Dosanjh testified that subsequently, he was informed that two Conservative MPs were going to be holding a media event and making allegations that the Liberals were

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Too much time reading blogs. (Don't let this happen to you!)(cross-posted to Bouquets of Gray)

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Long-time readers may remember a rather long-winded and complicated series of arguments last summer about whether Harper had learned about the call on the 16th or 17th (see here, where I concluded on the 17th, and here, where I wrongly argued for the 16th).The Ethics Commissioner's report settles the question once and for all: We wished to clarify with Mr. Harper that Mr. Grewal first approached

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report: All three parties agree that the meeting ended with no offers having been made and that there was no commitment by Mr. Grewal. This is as interesting for what it says as for what it doesn't.First, Grewal, Dosanjh, and Murphy all agree that the Liberals made no offers at this meeting, which amounts to an admission of Grewal's that his many earlier statements

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report: The testimony of Mr. Dosanjh, Mr. Grewal and Mr. Murphy is relatively consistent as to what transpired during the meeting in Mr. Dosanjh’s office in the Confederation Building at 1:00 pm Tuesday, May 17, 2005.Prior to the arrival of Mr. Murphy at this meeting, Mr. Dosanjh and Mr. Grewal both agree that there was further discussion in relation to Mr. Grewal’s

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The Globe and Mail reports:Harper failed to meet ethics czar on GrewalBy CAMPBELL CLARKThursday, January 26, 2006 Posted at 5:22 AM ESTFrom Thursday's Globe and MailOTTAWA — Stephen Harper failed to meet federal Ethics Commissioner Bernard Shapiro despite repeated attempts over four months to interview him for an inquiry into the Gurmant Grewal affair, Mr. Shapiro noted in a report released

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report:Mr. Grewal and Mrs. Grewal both testified that while on their way to Question Period on Monday, May 16, 2005, he informed her for the first time that he had been contacted by Mr. Kalia. Mrs. Grewal’s response was “you’re wasting your time since, you know, we’re not going to be joining the Liberals.”Grewal has claimed on many occasions that he never intended

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report: The testimonies of Mr. Dosanjh and Mr. Grewal are relatively consistent as to the nature of their discussions that evening. Mr. Dosanjh spoke of his own political career and noted that the Prime Minister had made no commitments or offers to him when he agreed to stand as a Liberal candidate in the 2004 election. They also discussed Mr. Grewal’s Parliamentary

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Buried in the CBC report: In the statement, Shapiro said his report was ready on Friday but was held back to avoid interfering with Monday's federal election. Grewal did not stand for re-election.

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Globe and Mail: Ethics czar clears Dosanjh in taping furorCBC: Dosanjh cleared: No offer to buy MP's voteCTV: Grewal taping 'inappropriate,' Shapiro saysToronto Star: Health Minister cleared of offering bribeMacleans: Federal ethics probe clears Dosanjh of wrongdoing, slams former Tory MP.National Post: Dosanjh cleared of wrongdoingUpdate Some more stories:Dosanjh cleared, ex-MP scolded in

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report: While he had the tape recorder with him during his evening meeting with Mr. Dosanjh, it did not function properly, despite his efforts to fix it. As a consequence, he did not record the meeting.This raises the old question of the pizza tape, which I raised on the day that the tapes were released (see here) and several times since (see here and here).The

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report: Mr. Grewal testified that earlier that day, he decided to purchase a new digital tape recorder to record his conversations. I assume that 'digital tape recorder' means not a recorder of digital audio tape (DAT, a now obsolete technical standard that is only used in the recording industry (see here)), but a digital recorder.This is interesting. Especially

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From the Ethics Commissioner's report:Mr. Grewal and Mrs. Grewal both testified that while on their way to Question Period on Monday, May 16, 2005, he informed her for the first time that he had been contacted by Mr. Kalia. Mrs. Grewal’s response was “you’re wasting your time since, you know, we’re not going to be joining the Liberals.”This will have been before the 'pizza date' later that

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A couple new figures appear in the Ethics Commissioner's report. These are men whom Grewal had instructed to approach the Liberals. Mr. Dosanjh indicated that on Saturday, May 14, 2005, he received a telephone call from Mr. Bob Cheema, a businessman in the Vancouver-Surrey area acquainted with both Mr. Dosanjh and Mr. Grewal. According to Mr. Dosanjh, Mr. Cheema visited his home later that

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From the report about the tapes:There has been a great deal of media coverage in relation to the existence of the tape recordings that Mr. Grewal had made of his conversations with various parties. They are, of course, what sparked this present inquiry. However, from the outset of this inquiry, I wished to proceed on the basis of obtaining the direct testimony of all of the parties involved

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The Ethics Commissioner has released his report on Gurmant Grewal's antics last summer here. The executive summary contains all the important material:EXECUTIVE SUMMARYOn June 1, 2005, Mr. Yvon Godin, the Member of Parliament for Acadie-Bathurst, requested that I conduct an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the apparently surreptitious audio taping by Mr. Gurmant Grewal, the Member for

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The Ethics Commissioner has released his report on Gurmant Grewal's antics last summer here

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Meanwhile, in Newton-North Delta, it looks like Sukh Dhaliwal is going to take Newton-North Delta, which had been Gurmant's riding.

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With three-quarters of the polls in, Nina is now ahead by 500. I think she may pull it off. Which means years more of blogging.

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Regular readers will not be surprised to hear that I'm especially interested in the fate of Nina Grewal, who I've blogged about quite a bit. With almost half the polls counted, Nina is behind by 55 … count 'em … votes. It's going to be a long night.

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The Toronto Sun, true to form, has as its front-page story 218 reasons NOT to vote for the Liberals. Read it if you like. I was quite surprised, however, to find this as reason #37:Post-Belinda, Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal revealed tape recordings of PMO staffer Tim Murphy and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh discussing possible incentives if he crossed the floor. Grits said tapes were

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Jack Cook, an Independent Candidate in Fleetwood-Port Kells, despairing of getting his message out through the mainstream media, produced a DVD of his campaign pitch. It's been mounted on the net here. Go watch it. Gurmant and Nina make cameo appearances. Sorta … kinda …. Well, anyway, go see it.

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From the Vancouver Sun The riding votes small-c conservative, said Grewal's campaign manager Dane Minor, but this time it's definitely a three-way race with crime and transportation infrastructure being the main local issues. He said the campaign has become personal, with other candidates attacking Grewal as being reliant on her husband. "She is her own woman and always has been," he said.NDP

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At Vancouver 24 Hours, Sean Holman reports on the contest in Fleetwood-Port Kells:Will the sins of the husband be visited on his wife?That's the question in Fleetwood-Port Kells, where Conservative incumbant candidate Nina Grewal - the wife of controversial fellow caucus member and scandal magnet Gurmant Grewal - is running for re-election.Nina, a former RRSP sales manager, has attempted to

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See this story about Conservative Candidate in Malton, John Sprovieri in 24 Hours Vancouver. It seems he borrowed Nina Grewal's issue page, including a statement "Gurmant (Grewal) and I are two separate MPs representing different ridings. Gurmant not running in this election affects me personally, but not professionally."Someone in Sprovieri's campaign room has quickly taken down the page (here)

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Best wishes to everyone this Christmas.

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Update. If you look at the comments you can see that this post gave some offense. I've deleted it.

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There's an interesting article in the Vancouver Sun that reports on the four Surrey ridings, two of which were won by the Grewals in the last election.Federal Liberals target SurreyThe party, which failed to win a single seat in B.C.'s second-largest city in the last election, is using head office staff Lori Culbert, Vancouver SunThe federal Liberals failed to win any of Surrey's four ridings in

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I'm not sure exactly what this means, but apparently the Grewal affair is much, um, sexier than I'd ever thought: link. (Hattip to the Pinko Porklett.)(By the way, the Grewal affair is probably going on the back burner for a while. There's some interesting things about Cindy Silver's website that I'll be pursuing over at Bouquets of Gray; also see my discussion of the mail-order PhDof Linda

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As we've seen, Nina came up quite a bit in Grewal's discussions with the Liberals about changing parties. Grewal asked for a senate seat for her, as we saw, but was refused. One of the reasons that Grewal was so keen to get her such an appointment had to do with the electoral realities of her riding. Grewal begins by praising the way that Harper had stood up for him during the

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The Globe and Mail has a profile of Nina that Grewal watchers will no doubt be interested in. On the whole she is portrayed positively. Nina asserts her independence from Gurmant--though one could hardly imagine her doing otherwise. There are, of course, some surprises here. Apparently Nina can stand on her head! And she makes the rather odd promise to smack her opponents if they bring up

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Grewal's negotiations with the Liberals were not going well. He had asked for a senate seat and was told no. He hinted at a cabinet post; the Liberals did not bite, hoping that he would cross anyway. Grewal now restates his value to his own party. He and Nina were the Tory's only ethnics in BC--and Nina the only minority woman. Also, Grewal feels loyalty to Harper.

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One of the worst moments in the tapes for the Conservatives comes on p. 13 of the June 5th transcript. After complaining bitterly about his tangles with Joe Volpe over the last election and Grewal's visa bond scheme, and Murphy suggests that an apology from Volpe might be arranged, Grewal makes his moves:This part of the transcript is especially problematic for the Conservative version of

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Once Tim Murphy arrived, he, Grewal, and Dosanjh discussed the general political situation, the way that the independents might vote in the coming parliament, and the potential impact of the defection: Grewal remarks that the effect will be felt around the world. (It's unsurprisingly, really, that all this was edited out of May 31st tapes: Grewal's vanity makes one cringe, here.) Dosanjh again

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Continuing our review of places in the tapes where Nina appears (begun here and here). When we last saw our favorite ex-MP, he had confirmed that he had spoken to Nina, and that he and Nina would not cross unless they got 'something good quickly' here). After commenting again on the closeness of the coming votes in the House of Commons, Dosanjh gives Grewal some advice. Here is the May 31st

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The Canadian Blog Awards have been announced and I'm thrilled to report that Buckets of Grewal has won two golds and a silver:Silver in the "Best New Blog" Category, getting whalloped by Rick Mercer's Blog. Congratulations to Mr. Mercer. (I have to note, however, that if there were an entry for the funniest series, I think Zorpheus' "Rick Mercer is not funny" series would win easily.)Gold for

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We know that the tapes were heavily edited (see here and the editing was not accidental (see here). We also know where the tapes were edited.Once it became clear that there were the problems with the tapes, the Conservatives issued a press release (dubbed the 'suicide-note'). Here is the first paragraph:This 'clarification' raised more questions than it answered. First, there was more than a

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For those coming late, I've been reviewing the role of Nina Grewal in the Grewal affair. For the first two places where she appeared in the tapes, see here and here.The third reference to Nina comes soon after the second. Dosanjh asks Gurmant point blank whether he'd consulted Nina about the proposed defection. Here is the conversation from the June 5 transcript (yellow, again, marks sections

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Grewal has spent much of the last months avoiding the press. In the last week he has granted an interview to the Hindustan Times (see here). Here it is:An Indian drama in Canada pollsCANADA DIARY | Gurmukh SinghDecember 4, 2005Much should be read (or not) into the decision of the Indo-Canadian MP Gurmant Grewal not to seek re-election to the House of Commons this time around. The minority

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Dear readers,Today is the last day of voting for the Canadian Blogging Awards. Here are my endorsements: Best Blog: Calgary Grit Best Progressive Blog: The Amazing Wonderdog Best Conservative Blog: Bound By Gravity Best New Blog: Rick Mercer's Blog (I am also a nominee in this category—but, hey!, who can resist Rick Mercer?) Best Group Blog: Stageleft Best Humour Blog: The Wingnuterer Best

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As many of you know, we are now in the last day of voting in the Canadian Blog Awards. Someone thought highly enough of my work here to nominate this blog in three categories: Best New Blog, Best Blog Post, for "An Infinite Number of Monkeys" and Best Blog Post Series, for my FAQ for the Grewal AffairPlease go over to the CBA and vote.

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Nina Grewal (Conservative candidate in Fleetwood-Port Kells) was mentioned several times in the Grewal tapes, which is natural enough given that Gurmant and the Liberals were discussing the defection of both Grewals. The first was when Sadesh Kalia makes clear to Gurmant that both Nina and he are invited to discuss changing parties with Ujjal Dosanjh over pizza. (For the call, see here). The

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Vanouverite Ken Gardiner raises some interesting questions about Grewal's recent decision to leave politics (here)I don’t think Gurmant Grewal will be out of the game for long. His MP wife Nina is the ace up his sleeve and it’s time to reshuffle the deck. I predict that he will use Nina to continue networking while he plans a quick comeback.As Mr. Gardiner points out, the idea that there is much

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As I said the other day, I'm pulling together the data on Nina's role in the Grewal affair for the FAQ, which is as yet only half-finished.There are many references to Nina in the tapes. The first of them comes from the last of Grewal’s five phone calls with Sadesh Kalia. Here is the whole transcript of that call:Now, as it happens, Nina did not join Gurmant and Ujjal for pizza, where it is

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It seems that my last entry on Nina touched a bit of a nerve. In the comments to it, you'll find this gem: Are you really this evil "buckets"?Trying to smear one Good man was not enough for you, so by ASSOCIATION, you continue this campaign, trying and destroy his wife also? Your tactics seem quite Liberal to me.You must feel so proud of yourself, you fucking hate-mongerer... I'm not sure what

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As I said in the previous post, I have been continuing my work on the FAQ (which has been nominated for a blogging award--you can vote for me here if you like). As part of the preparation on the entry on Nina, I've been reviewing the role that she's played in the story.From the beginning of the Grewal affair, Nina denied that she knew anything about the negotiations or the taping. She told the

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As you may have noticed, this site has made the finals in the Canadian Blog Awards in three categories. (Please go and vote, btw.) One of them is for my faq, which is as yet only half-finished. Anyway, I've been working hard at it recently. Today I have been trying to write on Nina and her role in the affair, and I noticed the interview that Nina gave to the Now newspaper in July. (The Now

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Yes, I know. He's gone and I should move on to other things. But for the sake of completeness, I'm sure regular readers will be interested to see that The Surrey Leader (archived here) interviewed Grewal about his decision to quit.Grewal trailed in poll, but it wasn't a factorBy Dan Ferguson Staff ReporterDec 02 2005I could have won, insists Newton-North Delta MP A Conservative Party of Canada

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As everyone knows, Grewal decided against running for re-election in Newton-North Delta. Now the question is who will replace him as a candidate there. Apparently Doug McCallum, who used to be a Liberal, has decided to seek the Conservative nomination (here).The voters of Surrey decided not to re-elect McCallum as mayor about a month ago.Update. There's another story about McCallum in the

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I was pleasantly surprised that someone thought highly enough of my work here to nominate me for the Canadian Blogging Awards--indeed, for three awards in three categories: Best New Blog, Best Blog Post, for "An Infinite Number of Monkeys" and Best Blog Post Series, for my FAQ for the Grewal Affair To be nominated was, of course, a great honour. You can imagine my thrill to discover that

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There are some more detail in the Vancouver Sun article quoted below, which makes the more specific point that the 'unresolved issues' that Grewal cites as potentially damaging to the Conservatives are Shapiro's investigation of his taping fellow MPs and questions about his campaign contributions.Also worth noting: Grewal admits that the optics of taping fellow MPs is not good. Grewal bows out,

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The CBC reports that Grewal is not seeking re-election. More to follow.Update. Public Eye Online discusses rumours about potential Conservative candidates in the riding.Update 2. CTV News adds comments of Harper ("I think he's done what's in the interests of the party by deciding not to run.") and their Ottawa bureau chief suggests that Conservatives "encouraged him to leave". The CBC quotes

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Grewal first revealed that he had taped his conversations with Dosanjh and Murphy on May 18th, and the Conservatives released what they described as a full set of recordings at mid-day on May 31st. Within a day of the release of those tapes, however, questions began to be raised about their integrity (note my entry of 6 pm on June 1st: here) and over the next day there was a flurry of stories (

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The Grewal tapes were released in three stages. Eight minutes of recordings were released on May 18th, shortly after Grewal's new conference in which he alleged that the Liberals had tried to bribe him. This was part of the meeting that Grewal had had with Tim Murphy earlier that day. Approximately 75 minutes of recordings were released at mid-day May 31st. Four sound files and four

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Friends, my efforts here have garnered attention over the last six months of blogging--some of it good, some of it bad, some of it something in between. The highest of the highlights was the CTV story on me, closely followed by the positive mentions by Antonia Zerbisias (June 1; June 7; June 16). There were low-spots, too, including, um, threats of violence. And of course, there were the

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Another question to be considered is whether Grewal broke the law when he gave the tapes and transcripts to the RCMP. The NDP and Bloc, as you'll recall, had asked the RCMP to investigate the conversations on the tapes after Grewal had revealed them to the public (see here).If Grewal had given the RCMP the same tapes and transcripts to the RCMP as he released to the public, wouldn't this be

bucketsnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13146495.post-1132541861867784252005-11-20T21:56:00.000-05:002005-11-20T22:49:02.776-05:00

As I've shown many times, whoever prepared the transcript of the tapes did a very poor job (for a light-hearted version, see my post "F with a possibility to resubmit").What is surprising is that even the later, corrected, versions are so poorly done. I noticed this again the other day while trying to straighten out the chronology of the phone calls (here). Below is a transcript of Grewal's

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Since the first version of Grewal's tapes were released on May 31st, one of the more damning quotes coming from Dosanjh's lips was his assertion that 'Cabinet right away is possible'. There are two related issues here. First, what do these words actually mean. Second, how has that meaning been obscured by the editing of these tapes.Let's start with the second question. Here is the first

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Grewal began negotiating with the Liberals about changing parties on May 15th (when he and Kalia first made contact) and met with them on the 16th, 17th, and 18th (see here for an overview). When did Harper learn of these negotiations?In a press scrum at the beginning of June (here), Harper said: Harper: Gurmant approached me at our caucus meeting on Monday, May the 16th*, and told me—it was

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One of the less discussed recordings that Grewal released is a series of phone calls from May 17th and 18th.Like Grewal's other files, it exists in two forms--recording and transcript--and there are two different versions of each of these. So there are four different files:tel ud tm.mp3 (19.9MB, created 31/05/05 11:57am, 21 min. 41 sec.) TelConversations-TM-GG-UD.mp3 (19.3Mb, created 07/06/05 1

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The Grewal tapes were heavily edited before being released to the public (see the overview here). The question is whether this broke the law. I asked for an opinion my friend KN, who wrote the followingThe most relevant law is probably Section 372 of the Criminal Code:372. (1) Every one who, with intent to injure or alarm any person, conveys or causes or procures to be conveyed by letter,

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The negotations that the Grewal tapes contain were revealed to the public in dribs and drabs. There was the eight minutes of tapes on May 18th; the heavily edited tapes of May 31st; followed by the fuller tapes/transcript of June 2-5. All of this was accompanied by assertion, counter-assertion, direction, and mis-direction of both sides during the entire period.Here is, I think, how the

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Grewal insists that the Liberals approached him. The Liberals insist the opposite. Why does it matter?The question is important for both sides' spin of the affair. Grewal has claimed that he never intended to change parties and that he'd only pretended to be interested in changing parties after the Liberals had asked him to do so. That story would be much more difficult to accept if he was

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If you had surfed over to Grewal's website in the weeks and months following May 31st, you would've seen a screen capture below (apart from the pink numbering). The files that would be downloaded when you clicked on the links, however, was changing. For a list of the files available there on May 31st, see here; one file was changed late June 2nd; and sometime before June 4th, another one was.

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As I have pointed out, www.gurmantgrewal.ca/audio.asp, the webpage in which Grewal made the tapes and transcripts available, has been removed. The site as it looked originally can be seen here, and a list of the files that were originally downloadable there, here.On June the 2nd, after audio experts had begun to testify that the clips on Grewal's site had been tampered with, the Conservatives

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As I pointed out a couple days ago, Grewal has recently taken down the webpage where he had released his famous recordings and transcripts. Here is screen capture of what it used to look like; I've added the pink numbers in order to give you a key of what files were there. The files that were downloaded through the eight links were as follows:*"SK Tel.mp3" (actual size: 7.6 MB, length: 8 min.

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One question that got much play early-on in the Grewal affair was who approached whom. Did Grewal approach the Liberals? or did the Liberals approach him? For the importance of this question to the Liberals and Conservatives, see here.Grewal insisted that the Liberals approached him: in his news conference of May 18th (a transcript of which I've prepared here, where he first revealed that

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Beginning on May 31st, the day that Grewal released an edited version of his tapes, it was possible to download recordings (in mp3) and transcriptions (pdf) of the some of his negotiations. These were his website at www.gurmantgrewal.ca/audio.asp. Now, the files that you could download there were not always the same (see here, here, here). But Grewal has now removed the possibility of hearing

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My blog is worth $67,744.80.How much is your blog worth?

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The Ethics' Commissioner's report can be read in full here.The final two paragraphs of the report readThis suggests that this case fits best the situation contemplated by the Code in regards to “mitigated contraventions”. Subsection 28(5) of the Code provides that if the Ethics Commissioner concludes that a Member has not complied with an obligation under this Code but has done so through

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After Grewal had revealed to the Immigration committee that he had made a regular practice of getting constituents to sign commitments to provide bonds before supporting sponsorship applications, Joe Volpe referred the matter to the House of Commons Ethics Commissioner, who was asked to consider Grewal's practice in light of the House of Commons Conflict of Interest Code (which you can read

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Sifting through some old, half-written posts and notes, I noticed this old story that I never posted. Warren Clements of the Globe and Mail had a contest. Read on…THE CHALLENGELet's twist wordsBy WARREN CLEMENTSSaturday, July 2, 2005 Page D14E-mail Warren ClementsThe challenge was to amend the title of a well-known poem or song to reflect any part of the Gurmant Grewal controversy: the

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Although Grewal has publicly stated that he has asked for commitments to supply a visa-bond in fifteen cases (see here), Ethics Commissioners' report informs us that Grewal maintained this practice for four years (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005) and collected 232 forms. The amounts pledged varied from $1000 to $250,000.Return to the FAQ

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McMaster professor and researcher Geoffrey Rockwell noticed an interesting trivium. Buckets has temporarily passed Gurmant's own site in the Google rankings for 'Grewal', but not that of Nina:'A rose between two thorns,' one might say!

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In his private member's bill, C-283 (see here), Grewal proposes that the government create a bonding system for sponsoring overseas visitors. Sponsors of visitors will post bond which is refunded once the sponsored visitors return home.In addition to proposing this legislation, Grewal set up his own system whereby those who wanted to sponsor such visitors would signal their willingness to make

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One of Grewal's major initiatives in the last year has been his attempt to emend the Immigration Act to change the way in which foreign nationals who apply for temporary, visitor visas are sponsored. This was done through his private member's bill, C-283: An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection RegulationsThis bill would essentially

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As a few have noticed (see here and here), I have been posting less here since late summer--other matters have been keeping me (very) busy. I'm enjoying a brief pause from work right now, which has given me a few moments to reflect on the thrills and spills of last June and July. Someone has also pointed out to me that it is now time for nominations for the blogging awards. It strikes me that

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Jim Holt is the President of the Conservative Riding Association of Newton-North Delta, Gurmant Grewal's seat. As such, he has been in the forefront of those defending Grewal. In this capacity, he wrote to members of the Conservative Party to defend Grewal in July 2005 (see his letter, here).Holt was also involved in answering question about Grewal's campaign finance hereReturn to the FAQ

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One of the more obscure references in the Grewal tapes is to "Dr. Cheema". It occurred in the second phone call between Grewal and Sadesh Kalia. The editor of this transcript has added Cheema's given name, Gulzar, to help identify him. Cheema is an Indo-Canadian physician, who has been a Liberal MLA both in Manitoba and in British Columbia, where he was also Minister of State for Immigration

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Sadesh Kalia is a prominent member of the Indo-Canadian community in Surrey. A Liberal, he discussed with Grewal the possibility of defecting to the Liberals before Grewal spoke to Dosanjh and/or Murphy beginning on May 15th. A partial list of their calls was released with the Grewal tapes (here) shows they spoke at least a dozen times over these few days. Grewal released recordings of six of

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There has been a lot of back and forth over the months, with accusation and counter accusation. It might be worth remembering precisely what the original statements were--before we had any tapes at all. As many of you remember, just hours before a crucial non-confidence vote in the house on May 18th, Gurmant Grewal appeared before a press scrum and delivered his block-buster--he had taped four

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